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NARRATOR: Williamsburg,
Virginia. April 2018.

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(INDISTINCT VOICES)

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-Hello, Butch.
-Stephen, how are you?

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-Well, how are you?
-STEPHEN: It's good

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-see you again.
-It's good to see you too.

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STEPHEN'S LAWYER

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BUTCH: Tell me what's going on.

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the last time
that you and I talk

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about your sister,

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things were
more than unstable.

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Can you update me?

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Yes, the police department

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lost the original file
of the case.

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Turns out they found it.
I don't know what's in it.

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They said there was
some new things

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that they are following.

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Is there any way
that we have access to that,

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to the new case file?

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Yes, it is
of an ongoing investigation,

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they will not disclose
no information

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that may affect
the present investigation.

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-I understand.
-After 31 years,

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It is rare that a department
police

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reopen a file,

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a case investigation,
unless...

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they have very good reasons
to do it.

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have you reconciled
with your parents?

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No no.

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-No?
-No.

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BUTCH: I keep coming back.
to this idea

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that you get your life back.

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And one of the ways

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to do so is arriving
to a result,

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but if it's not the one you anticipate,

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What impact will that have on you?

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I don't know.

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♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYS
FROM "THE WEIGHT OF PROOF") ♪

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NARRATOR: The Weight of Proof.

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♪ (THEME MUSICAL CONCLUDES) ♪

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CYNTHIA HILL:
So, you knew

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to Jennifer Pandos, right?

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RESEARCHER
FROM THE PANDOS CASE

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Yes, I went to high school
with Jennifer Pandos.

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We were in the same classes.

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CYNTHIA: Do you remember?
when did it disappear?

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JAKE RICE: I can't say.
I remember the exact time.

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I got to know her much more
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in primary and secondary school.

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When he disappeared,

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everything I knew at that moment

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it was that he had escaped.

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(EXHALE)

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Very good.

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Very good. (LAUGHS)

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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CYNTHIA: Can you start?

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telling us
a little about Jennifer

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and their friendship,
and what was she like?

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-(LAUGHS)
-CYNTHIA: Just describe it.

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♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

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SHARON ROSE STEWARD:
She was... like a rocket.

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She wasn't afraid.

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Sometimes I had no filter.
(LAUGHS)

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She just said whatever.
that was on his mind.

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CYNTHIA: If you don't mind,

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tell me your name

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and your relationship
with the Pandos family.

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My name is Kerrie Campbell
and she was friends with Jennifer.

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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KERRIE: We always passed
hanging out together at school.

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she would go
with the popular kids

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or with those
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and I definitely wasn't
one of the popular ones.

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So it was nice

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have a friendship with someone
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whether you were with the majority or not.

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And if you were having
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one way or another,

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she made you laugh
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I miss that.

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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I met Jenny
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We had a good friendship.

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We were almost all talking
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She was generally happy.

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I know that sometimes
She...had problems.

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He didn't get angry often,
but when he did it,

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you could see that little flame.

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Well, although Jenny and I
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It would be silly to say that I wasn't
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So part
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They were always looking for that.

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(LAUGHS)

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JEFF SEIBERT:
But they mainly focused

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in clowning.

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One of the reasons why
that I liked talking to her

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It was that it made me laugh.

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KERRIE CAMPBELL VALDEZ:
We were talking about cars

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that we liked
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and who we thought with
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Well, for a long time,

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he thought he was going to get married
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JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTRESS:
"A confession,

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a confession from my heart."

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FROM THE NOTES
BY JENNIFER PANDOS

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"I really felt
very inspired to take care of you.

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You are my fantasy.

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One that I have always dreamed of
come true.

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You are my shining star,

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my guiding light,

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for the bad times

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in the day and night.

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You are someone I trust,
and who I can lean on.

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You are my special friend.

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What I have said is all true.

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There will never be,
or there never was someone

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as wonderful as you."

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♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

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TONY TOBLER:
I lived in Newport News,

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and my mother lived
in Williamsburg.

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And I came to live with her

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and I started high school
in Lafayette.

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SHARON: And the girls.
They were crazy about Tony.

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I remember that,
everyone liked him,

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besides that it was
The new boy was cute.

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but the girls
They went crazy for him.

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CORI TOBLER:
We went out for a short time,

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and then we left it for...

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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...months.
And it was then

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-when he went out with her.
-Yeah.

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JENNIFER'S EX-BOYFRIEND

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RON PANDOS: Falling in love.

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The bride and groom type treatment.

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JENNIFER'S FATHER

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I think that was the way
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I don't know how he saw her.

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MARGIE PANDOS: He was
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and they didn't come out
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There were no movies
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no football games
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I just thought I was
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As for a physical relationship,

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I had no idea.

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None.

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MARGIE: They were coming home from school.
like 2:30, 3:30,

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They walked around the neighborhood

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and I came home from work
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He had gotten her pregnant.
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She just told me

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what they had decided

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about what they wanted to do
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JENNIFER'S MOTHER

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RON: How did I react to it?

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Shocked.

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-Angry. Ah...

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wanting to know
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with both.

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No, I didn't want him to see Tony.
She didn't want Tony to see her.

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I knew that was something
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A great shame for them.

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But...

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I don't think they would like it
our relationship

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since before that happened.

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A lot of that has...

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the community in which they lived,

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As I said at some point,

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was the main community
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And I lived in a parking lot
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His parents didn't like that.

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His father was a person
very controlling.

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With the whole family.

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-Hello, Wen. I'm Stephen.
-Hello, Stephen.

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How are you?

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-Good.
-I'm glad to see you.

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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STEPHEN: They didn't pass.
a lot of time in our house,

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-Right?
-WENDY JUEDE: No.

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Not really. I don't know.
There have been some people

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those I have been with in my life

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that made me feel
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Your dad,
He is one of those people.

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Has she ever said anything to you...

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about the problems he had
with my father or my mother

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or something like that?

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She had an abortion.
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It was noticeable that there was
more tension in the house

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after that.

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From that moment on,

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he would know everything
what she would do.

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Of course,
She and Tony broke up and...

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STEPHEN: Yes,
I don't remember much

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about that relationship.
Was it a volatile relationship

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or was it a typical relationship
from high school?

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-Yeah. Typical high school.
-I see.

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Tony kept going.

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He moved on with Cori.

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SHARON: She was devastated.
for breaking up with Tony.

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And then we start
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And...

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seemed fine.

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I think it was more difficult
for her

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what we realized
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SHARON: When Cori and Tony
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it was like a challenge
for Jennifer.

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She would go to her classes.
I took classes with Cori.

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She would do things
just to bother her,

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to... to Cori.

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Or to make sure
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that she was close.

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She would make them...
(EXHALES NERVOUSLY)

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(SOBBING) But that was...

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She told me
that would do several things.

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(CLICKS TONGUE) Am...

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I hated Cori. (LAUGHS)

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JENNIFER, ACTRESS:
I can't do this anymore,

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I feel like I'm getting
going crazy

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(SOBBING, DEEP BREATHING)

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MARGIE: Her quince wasn't
the best year of your life.

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I remember that she
it just collapsed

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and she said she didn't want to be crazy.

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Jennifer knew
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but she
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or had not found
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with whom I could talk.

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you can see
when your children feel pain.

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You want to do everything
what you can for them and...

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that is my biggest failure
in life.

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KERRIE: I was surprised.
let him go

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It seemed that he had
a good group of friends

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with which I could
have spoken

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I just remember thinking:

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"What was so wrong
that you had to leave?"

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CYNTHIA: What was your reaction?

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to the idea that she ran away?

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Which was something I would do.

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It seemed logical

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that I would have decided
go somewhere for a while.

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CYNTHIA: How well
do you think you met her?

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how well
I think I met her?

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-I met her.
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Yes. But if you ask me
yes I think it is possible

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that there was a side
completely different from her

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that I didn't know,

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I guess it's possible.
I don't know.

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And I also remember...

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JENNIFER'S FRIEND

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...that at some point...

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maybe in high school

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that Jennifer ran away...

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once. I don't know why.

256
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I don't remember why.

257
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STEPHEN:
I'm curious to know

258
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if you remember something

259
00:11:59,289 --> 00:12:02,794
what people speculated
what could have happened...

260
00:12:04,161 --> 00:12:06,165
at the moment
in which he disappeared.

261
00:12:07,531 --> 00:12:10,199
I remember when this happened.

262
00:12:10,268 --> 00:12:12,501
And... of course,

263
00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:14,302
everyone was talking
in the school of that

264
00:12:14,371 --> 00:12:16,972
because the police
was involved.

265
00:12:17,041 --> 00:12:21,243
But I felt like they forgot
pretty fast.

266
00:12:21,312 --> 00:12:23,412
Now that I'm older,
I think in retrospect:

267
00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:25,013
"Why did they only do that?"

268
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They should have done
search groups.

269
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-STEPHEN: True.
-That's what they should have done,

270
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this was not normal.
This is Williamsburg.

271
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And I never had that feeling.

272
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Never. And well...

273
00:12:36,126 --> 00:12:37,760
STEPHEN: I understand,
because I believe

274
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that generally parents

275
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They are the ones who make that type
of things happen.

276
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-THOMAS ANDERSON: That's right.
-STEPHEN: Yes.

277
00:12:44,902 --> 00:12:47,139
And I don't know if my parents
ever did

278
00:12:47,972 --> 00:12:50,009
for those things to happen.

279
00:12:50,942 --> 00:12:53,276
If that makes sense,
do you understand?

280
00:12:53,345 --> 00:12:54,209
Yes, it does.

281
00:12:54,278 --> 00:12:56,011
And honestly,
It never crossed my mind

282
00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,017
that way until now.

283
00:13:00,851 --> 00:13:03,522
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)

284
00:13:06,991 --> 00:13:08,691
MARGIE: I didn't write the note.

285
00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,391
I didn't leave it in the room.

286
00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:13,429
I didn't help Ron
to remove the body from the house.

287
00:13:13,498 --> 00:13:14,596
I didn't help him...

288
00:13:14,665 --> 00:13:17,132
WENDI: Okay, so Ron?
Did you take the body out of the house?

289
00:13:17,201 --> 00:13:20,072
If I had done it,
I didn't help him.

290
00:13:25,942 --> 00:13:28,210
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-(KNOCKS ON DOOR)

291
00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:30,045
-Hello, what's up?
-How's it going?

292
00:13:30,114 --> 00:13:31,713
DONNIE NORRELL:
Do you already know Lena?

293
00:13:31,782 --> 00:13:33,181
-STEPHEN: No. Hello. How are you?
-Hello.

294
00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:34,510
LENA SISCO:
Nice to meet you.

295
00:13:34,579 --> 00:13:35,684
STEPHEN: Delighted.
to know you

296
00:13:35,753 --> 00:13:36,719
-Thank you so much.
-You are welcome.

297
00:13:36,788 --> 00:13:37,953
EX-MILITARY INTERROGATOR

298
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DONNIE: She'll help.
in the interview with Margie.

299
00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:41,022
-STEPHEN: Okay.
-DONNIE: She was

300
00:13:41,091 --> 00:13:42,825
a navy interrogator.

301
00:13:42,894 --> 00:13:45,327
Learned to detect
deceptive behavior.

302
00:13:45,396 --> 00:13:47,095
And we will team up,

303
00:13:47,164 --> 00:13:50,366
we have been discussing
our focus and everything.

304
00:13:50,435 --> 00:13:52,100
Going to Charlotte

305
00:13:52,169 --> 00:13:53,669
to interview your mother,

306
00:13:53,738 --> 00:13:55,037
Do you think she's willing?

307
00:13:55,106 --> 00:13:57,673
Have you talked to her
recently about it?

308
00:13:57,742 --> 00:14:00,041
I think it will. He has done...

309
00:14:00,110 --> 00:14:02,277
everything I have asked of you
what to do.

310
00:14:02,346 --> 00:14:05,914
Obviously,
She believes that during...

311
00:14:05,983 --> 00:14:07,849
the last 30 years
has been saying

312
00:14:07,918 --> 00:14:09,284
everything he knows.

313
00:14:09,353 --> 00:14:11,152
There may be some things
really strong...

314
00:14:11,221 --> 00:14:14,355
I think there is some semantics
in what he says

315
00:14:14,424 --> 00:14:18,026
against what he knows.
But she knows it.

316
00:14:18,095 --> 00:14:19,429
In that interview,

317
00:14:19,498 --> 00:14:20,462
there is only one moment

318
00:14:20,531 --> 00:14:22,230
in which he almost does something
Like a Freudian slip.

319
00:14:22,299 --> 00:14:25,701
She said, "I didn't help Ron
to take the body out of the house."

320
00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:28,169
That's serious.
"I didn't help Ron."

321
00:14:28,238 --> 00:14:31,039
"I didn't help Ron get
the body of the house".

322
00:14:31,108 --> 00:14:33,042
LENA: Deception is what I'm looking for.
and I listen to it.

323
00:14:33,111 --> 00:14:35,077
So "I didn't"
is indicative

324
00:14:35,146 --> 00:14:36,478
of a truthful statement.

325
00:14:36,547 --> 00:14:39,248
Now, not 100 percent.
If she said, "I didn't do it,"

326
00:14:39,317 --> 00:14:40,983
is what we call
a convincing language.

327
00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:42,718
But the fact that he said:

328
00:14:42,787 --> 00:14:44,820
"I didn't help Ron
to move the body",

329
00:14:44,889 --> 00:14:47,122
could be a statement
very truthful

330
00:14:47,191 --> 00:14:48,991
DONNIE: I have it in my notes.

331
00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:52,094
in an interview
from July 23, 2009

332
00:14:52,163 --> 00:14:53,962
one of the questions
formulated was:

333
00:14:54,031 --> 00:14:56,565
"Where do you think
What is the body?"

334
00:14:56,634 --> 00:14:58,033
She said: "In the river,

335
00:14:58,102 --> 00:15:01,002
in the mill pond,
on the railroad tracks."

336
00:15:01,071 --> 00:15:02,274
She made those...

337
00:15:02,974 --> 00:15:05,210
a little strange comments.

338
00:15:07,445 --> 00:15:12,617
I've had 22 years to imagine
Where is that girl?

339
00:15:14,151 --> 00:15:16,952
For what I told you,
the James River,

340
00:15:17,021 --> 00:15:20,221
the mill pond,
the railroad tracks.

341
00:15:20,290 --> 00:15:23,328
Only God knows
where he could have taken her.

342
00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:28,367
(BIRDS SINGING)

343
00:15:30,802 --> 00:15:32,100
CYNTHIA:
We haven't talked to you

344
00:15:32,169 --> 00:15:35,070
since we found out
of the case file.

345
00:15:35,139 --> 00:15:38,006
How did you feel once
that file appeared?

346
00:15:38,075 --> 00:15:42,081
RESEARCHER
IN THE PANDOS CASE

347
00:15:43,714 --> 00:15:46,114
I guess...

348
00:15:46,183 --> 00:15:48,150
which was a kind
of mixed feelings

349
00:15:48,219 --> 00:15:49,652
once it was found

350
00:15:49,721 --> 00:15:50,953
that case file.

351
00:15:51,022 --> 00:15:52,954
On the one hand,
I was very excited

352
00:15:53,023 --> 00:15:56,992
because I thought I could
give us some ways...

353
00:15:57,061 --> 00:15:58,628
additional to investigate

354
00:15:58,697 --> 00:16:01,033
and put an end to the case.

355
00:16:02,066 --> 00:16:06,101
On the other hand,
made us look stupid

356
00:16:06,170 --> 00:16:09,004
and no... not very professional.

357
00:16:09,073 --> 00:16:11,410
CYNTHIA: Can you tell us?
where was it?

358
00:16:12,576 --> 00:16:16,011
I can only tell you
where they told me it was.

359
00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,447
was found
in the records room,

360
00:16:18,516 --> 00:16:21,083
in a file box
of old cases.

361
00:16:21,152 --> 00:16:23,180
CYNTHIA: And how does it happen?
something like that?

362
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,689
I don't know.

363
00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:28,957
I know the records
had been searched

364
00:16:29,026 --> 00:16:31,493
at least three different times,

365
00:16:31,562 --> 00:16:34,863
in depth for this file
of the case and it wasn't there.

366
00:16:34,932 --> 00:16:36,268
And then it appeared.

367
00:16:38,268 --> 00:16:41,306
-CYNTHIA: That seems strange.
-It is.

368
00:16:42,173 --> 00:16:44,473
♪ (SOLEMNE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

369
00:16:44,542 --> 00:16:47,009
WENDI: I don't know everything.
what Jake has done.

370
00:16:47,078 --> 00:16:49,611
I don't know everything there was
in that file.

371
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,618
I can see how that
It would be confusing for Stephen.

372
00:16:57,321 --> 00:17:00,351
CYNTHIA: Since the file
original case

373
00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:02,390
has reappeared,

374
00:17:02,459 --> 00:17:06,128
what does your instinct tell you
about the case now?

375
00:17:06,197 --> 00:17:07,195
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

376
00:17:07,264 --> 00:17:08,931
99 percent of my instinct

377
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,101
He tells me that the parents
are responsible

378
00:17:12,170 --> 00:17:13,768
of the note.

379
00:17:13,837 --> 00:17:17,372
I challenge anyone
that has a teenager

380
00:17:17,441 --> 00:17:21,243
to wake up in the morning
and find this note,

381
00:17:21,312 --> 00:17:24,316
not to call
immediately call 911.

382
00:17:25,316 --> 00:17:27,115
She never
I had done this before.

383
00:17:27,184 --> 00:17:28,417
CYNTHIA: I had.

384
00:17:28,486 --> 00:17:31,954
She ran away once.
How long was he gone?

385
00:17:32,023 --> 00:17:35,490
CYNTHIA: I don't know.
But it's part of...

386
00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:37,525
-Where was I going to go?
-No... It's not fair to say

387
00:17:37,594 --> 00:17:39,631
that never
I had done this before.

388
00:17:40,164 --> 00:17:41,396
It's not fair to say.

389
00:17:41,465 --> 00:17:43,565
-♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
-Just...

390
00:17:43,634 --> 00:17:45,100
It doesn't make sense.

391
00:17:45,169 --> 00:17:49,741
What doesn't make sense
generally not true.

392
00:18:02,153 --> 00:18:04,523
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

393
00:18:05,556 --> 00:18:07,989
CYNTHIA: Let's talk.
with Stephen this morning.

394
00:18:08,058 --> 00:18:10,025
He wants to call you today.

395
00:18:10,094 --> 00:18:12,895
He wants to ask you to do
one more interview.

396
00:18:12,964 --> 00:18:14,229
-MARGIE: With?
-CYNTHIA: So,

397
00:18:14,298 --> 00:18:16,532
He hired a private detective.

398
00:18:16,601 --> 00:18:17,499
I can't understand

399
00:18:17,568 --> 00:18:20,870
why would you hire
to a private detective.

400
00:18:20,939 --> 00:18:23,738
I don't know
what could they deduce...

401
00:18:23,807 --> 00:18:28,447
-that the police don't already know.
-(PHONE RINGS)

402
00:18:35,753 --> 00:18:38,153
Hello?

403
00:18:38,222 --> 00:18:41,156
-STEPHEN: Hello, mom.
-Hello, Stevie.

404
00:18:41,225 --> 00:18:44,827
-STEPHEN: How are you?
-I'm fine. And you?

405
00:18:44,896 --> 00:18:46,528
STEPHEN: I'm fine.

406
00:18:46,597 --> 00:18:51,503
So, on Saturday,
would you be willing to talk

407
00:18:52,536 --> 00:18:54,870
with Donnie Norrell
and his partner Lena

408
00:18:54,939 --> 00:18:56,275
About Jennifer?

409
00:18:57,374 --> 00:18:59,741
I don't have
no problem with that.

410
00:18:59,810 --> 00:19:02,144
STEPHEN: Okay, well,
I didn't think you would have it,

411
00:19:02,213 --> 00:19:05,284
but I just...
I had to ask. That's all.

412
00:19:05,650 --> 00:19:06,685
Okay.

413
00:19:08,219 --> 00:19:10,319
STEPHEN: Very good.
Well I miss you so much

414
00:19:10,388 --> 00:19:12,821
and I love you very much

415
00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:13,892
and me...

416
00:19:15,059 --> 00:19:17,262
I, well...

417
00:19:18,829 --> 00:19:22,926
-I miss you too.
-I know so. I know yes.

418
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,566
I will talk to you
in a day or two.

419
00:19:24,635 --> 00:19:27,235
Just let me solve
the details. Okay?

420
00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:29,572
-Okay.
-Okay. Very good.

421
00:19:29,641 --> 00:19:31,610
-Bye bye.
-Goodbye, mom. Bye bye.

422
00:19:33,878 --> 00:19:38,317
(SOBBING, DEEP BREATHING)

423
00:19:39,951 --> 00:19:42,587
I don't know how long
It's been since I saw it.

424
00:19:43,487 --> 00:19:45,925
I really don't remember it.

425
00:19:47,025 --> 00:19:48,890
(INHALE)

426
00:19:48,959 --> 00:19:50,795
Oh wow...

427
00:19:52,662 --> 00:19:55,364
♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

428
00:19:55,433 --> 00:19:57,199
LENA: When I get ready
for an interview,

429
00:19:57,268 --> 00:20:00,168
the question is asked
with the purpose

430
00:20:00,237 --> 00:20:01,736
to obtain
a narrative response.

431
00:20:01,805 --> 00:20:04,672
And so, while it gives me
a narrative response,

432
00:20:04,741 --> 00:20:07,309
and I detect the deception,
helps me determine

433
00:20:07,378 --> 00:20:08,744
whether she is being sincere or not.

434
00:20:08,813 --> 00:20:09,744
Yes.

435
00:20:09,813 --> 00:20:13,048
I want to have a short talk
with her before

436
00:20:13,117 --> 00:20:15,420
and encourage her to tell the truth.

437
00:20:16,287 --> 00:20:17,619
DONNIE: Are we going to be

438
00:20:17,688 --> 00:20:20,255
in conditions
to make an offer

439
00:20:20,324 --> 00:20:23,058
so that the family
get back together

440
00:20:23,127 --> 00:20:24,592
or see your grandchildren?

441
00:20:24,661 --> 00:20:26,394
-That kind of thing?
-I think the answer

442
00:20:26,463 --> 00:20:28,833
more honest is
that I am willing to do it.

443
00:20:34,038 --> 00:20:36,171
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

444
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,278
(BIRDS SINGING)

445
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,487
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

446
00:20:53,052 --> 00:20:56,291
I'm on my way
to see my mother.

447
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,563
It will be the first time
let him see her...

448
00:20:59,563 --> 00:21:02,834
in quite a few years.
I haven't been in the house.

449
00:21:04,502 --> 00:21:07,737
I can't even remember
the last time I was there.

450
00:21:07,806 --> 00:21:08,807
I'm very nervous.

451
00:21:22,086 --> 00:21:24,019
The last time I saw him,

452
00:21:24,088 --> 00:21:25,757
He didn't let me touch him.

453
00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:40,005
(BIRDS SINGING)

454
00:21:48,012 --> 00:21:50,310
(KNOCKS ON DOOR)

455
00:22:00,491 --> 00:22:03,058
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

456
00:22:03,127 --> 00:22:05,961
STEPHEN: You know, first
I want to say that I believe in you.

457
00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:09,031
I love you. You are forgiven.

458
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,733
You still have immunity.

459
00:22:10,802 --> 00:22:13,372
And I'm here for you.
I'm with you.

460
00:22:15,473 --> 00:22:16,841
(MARGIE SIGHS)

461
00:22:19,544 --> 00:22:23,178
I don't know what happened.

462
00:22:23,247 --> 00:22:25,481
and you're putting
eyes rolling

463
00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:27,315
and shaking his head.

464
00:22:27,384 --> 00:22:30,089
everything i know
Jennifer wasn't there.

465
00:22:31,022 --> 00:22:32,788
when I went down the stairs.

466
00:22:32,857 --> 00:22:36,052
I know it's not
what you want to hear.

467
00:22:36,121 --> 00:22:38,160
It's not what you think
what you need

468
00:22:38,229 --> 00:22:39,531
But it's...

469
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:41,967
But it's what I have.

470
00:22:43,567 --> 00:22:47,135
The story around
to Jennifer's disappearance

471
00:22:47,204 --> 00:22:49,038
It has to make sense.

472
00:22:49,107 --> 00:22:51,139
It has to be logical

473
00:22:51,208 --> 00:22:52,844
and reasonable.

474
00:22:53,945 --> 00:22:55,547
It doesn't make sense.

475
00:22:56,313 --> 00:22:57,479
after all

476
00:22:57,548 --> 00:22:59,684
so your father
has made me go through...

477
00:23:01,452 --> 00:23:04,352
why the fuck
would you think I would protect him?

478
00:23:04,421 --> 00:23:06,654
I have no reason
to do it.

479
00:23:06,723 --> 00:23:09,690
I have no reason
to do it.

480
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:13,529
STEPHEN: I think dad was
emotionally abusive to you.

481
00:23:13,598 --> 00:23:15,631
And I think I just...

482
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,466
I think it is
really complicated.

483
00:23:17,535 --> 00:23:18,901
I've been remembering,

484
00:23:18,970 --> 00:23:22,270
I can't think of anything
of what happened

485
00:23:22,339 --> 00:23:24,340
that makes me suspicious.

486
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:26,078
Nothing.

487
00:23:26,911 --> 00:23:27,810
STEPHEN: Try it.

488
00:23:27,879 --> 00:23:30,112
think of everything
what you have to earn.

489
00:23:30,181 --> 00:23:31,313
I protect you.

490
00:23:31,382 --> 00:23:34,310
I've always done it.

491
00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:36,386
-I know. You've already said it.
-Know? Here I am.

492
00:23:36,455 --> 00:23:37,552
and it makes me feel

493
00:23:37,621 --> 00:23:40,589
as if you were the judge
and the jury

494
00:23:40,658 --> 00:23:42,090
and you would have condemned me

495
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:43,358
for something I didn't do,

496
00:23:43,427 --> 00:23:45,760
and what I don't have
knowledge.

497
00:23:45,829 --> 00:23:48,163
I want you and my grandchildren
come back to my life.

498
00:23:48,232 --> 00:23:49,225
I want to see you happy,

499
00:23:49,294 --> 00:23:52,435
but I don't have something
to give you, Stephen.

500
00:23:52,504 --> 00:23:54,269
I just don't have it.

501
00:23:54,338 --> 00:23:55,904
Now if you want to condemn me

502
00:23:55,973 --> 00:23:57,572
and take me to the county
by James City

503
00:23:57,641 --> 00:24:01,343
and put me in jail
right now,

504
00:24:01,412 --> 00:24:04,649
all i have to do
It's two phone calls.

505
00:24:05,015 --> 00:24:06,548
And...

506
00:24:06,617 --> 00:24:08,617
sign to give you
any money you have.

507
00:24:08,686 --> 00:24:10,653
-You threatened to take me home.
-No, for what?

508
00:24:10,722 --> 00:24:12,254
-I?
-Yes, you did.

509
00:24:12,323 --> 00:24:14,589
I don't need it, mom.

510
00:24:14,658 --> 00:24:16,291
-I know you don't need it.
-I don't need it.

511
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:17,492
But you threatened me with that.

512
00:24:17,561 --> 00:24:20,396
Yes, I sought to sue you
to you and dad,

513
00:24:20,465 --> 00:24:22,397
but it wasn't for money.

514
00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:24,632
It was just because I wanted to.
that a judge

515
00:24:24,701 --> 00:24:27,736
say who did it,
who was responsible.

516
00:24:27,805 --> 00:24:30,801
None of this was about money.

517
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,807
No, I know that...

518
00:24:32,876 --> 00:24:36,344
I know what you were doing
It wasn't about money.

519
00:24:36,413 --> 00:24:38,480
-It was for punishment.
-It was because...

520
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:40,015
-No, mom.
-Yeah.

521
00:24:40,084 --> 00:24:42,254
-It was because... You know?
-Excuse me for a minute.

522
00:24:43,587 --> 00:24:46,221
It's not about you.
It's about dad, but...

523
00:24:46,290 --> 00:24:51,096
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

524
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:55,901
It hurts me a lot
don't believe me.

525
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:59,969
Just try it.

526
00:25:00,038 --> 00:25:02,141
Know?
That's all I ask of you.

527
00:25:03,408 --> 00:25:04,835
Okay?

528
00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:06,008
I have to go,

529
00:25:06,077 --> 00:25:09,279
this is too difficult
for me right now.

530
00:25:09,348 --> 00:25:10,615
Okay?

531
00:25:12,216 --> 00:25:13,716
MARGIE: I love you.

532
00:25:13,785 --> 00:25:16,085
STEPHEN:
I love you too, okay?

533
00:25:16,154 --> 00:25:17,486
(MARGIE SOBS)

534
00:25:17,555 --> 00:25:19,688
STEPHEN: Bye.
Bye bye. Goodbye, mom.

535
00:25:19,757 --> 00:25:21,123
MARGIE: Don't say goodbye.

536
00:25:21,192 --> 00:25:23,795
STEPHEN: Okay.
Alright. Alright.

537
00:25:24,562 --> 00:25:25,760
Okay?

538
00:25:25,829 --> 00:25:28,297
MARGIE: (BREATHES DEEP)
Will I see you again?

539
00:25:28,366 --> 00:25:31,399
-STEPHEN: Yes. Okay?
-Okay.

540
00:25:31,468 --> 00:25:33,403
STEPHEN: Very good.
Just try it.

541
00:25:33,472 --> 00:25:34,503
I love you very much.

542
00:25:34,572 --> 00:25:35,837
-MARGIE: I love you.
-STEPHEN: Okay.

543
00:25:35,906 --> 00:25:38,978
-MARGIE: Goodbye. (INHALE, EXHALE)
-STEPHEN: Goodbye.

544
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,486
MARGIE:
I know that nothing makes sense,

545
00:25:50,555 --> 00:25:53,125
nothing makes sense.

546
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,058
It's difficult

547
00:25:56,127 --> 00:25:59,264
let no one believe you.
Don't let anyone believe in you.

548
00:26:06,571 --> 00:26:07,703
(KNOCKS ON DOOR)

549
00:26:07,772 --> 00:26:09,308
Let's get this over with, folks.

550
00:26:11,609 --> 00:26:12,912
(INDISTINCT VOICES)

551
00:26:17,248 --> 00:26:19,114
DONNIE: Stephen.
He just wants to know the truth.

552
00:26:19,183 --> 00:26:21,783
-No matter what, a son...
-"It doesn't matter what.

553
00:26:21,852 --> 00:26:23,085
-I protect you."
-Tie...

554
00:26:23,154 --> 00:26:25,553
-"You have immunity."
-Regardless...

555
00:26:25,622 --> 00:26:29,361
I'm tired
to hear those phrases.

556
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:33,295
-I want to help Stephen.
-DONNIE: I understand.

557
00:26:33,364 --> 00:26:35,797
MARGIE: But I think
who is so obsessed

558
00:26:35,866 --> 00:26:38,070
with his ideas that never
is going to come out of them.

559
00:26:39,771 --> 00:26:42,938
Why don't we start with you

560
00:26:43,007 --> 00:26:44,944
telling us about that night?

561
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:47,843
She...she went to her room

562
00:26:47,912 --> 00:26:50,411
and when I got ready
to climb the stairs,

563
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,752
I knocked on the door, walked in and...

564
00:26:54,719 --> 00:26:56,051
Describe that to me.

565
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,220
where was she
in your room?

566
00:26:58,289 --> 00:27:00,555
What was he wearing?

567
00:27:00,624 --> 00:27:04,096
I was wearing a shirt
who had a panda bear.

568
00:27:05,563 --> 00:27:08,030
His bed was close to the wall

569
00:27:08,099 --> 00:27:10,632
and there was a table
next to his bed.

570
00:27:10,701 --> 00:27:14,504
In that place, there it is
where she was standing.

571
00:27:14,573 --> 00:27:16,399
I remember that,

572
00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:18,974
that image
It's etched in my mind.

573
00:27:19,043 --> 00:27:21,880
-I will never forget her.
-LENA: Yes. Yes.

574
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,749
And...

575
00:27:26,383 --> 00:27:31,820
what happened between the moment
when I saw that note

576
00:27:31,889 --> 00:27:34,457
and what Ron and I talked about,

577
00:27:34,526 --> 00:27:36,091
I couldn't tell you.

578
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,361
LENA: How did it feel?
when he found

579
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:39,398
and did you read that note?

580
00:27:40,231 --> 00:27:41,266
I felt panic.

581
00:27:44,802 --> 00:27:48,840
I was afraid of his anger...

582
00:27:50,141 --> 00:27:54,713
if we didn't do
what was asked of us.

583
00:27:55,646 --> 00:27:58,180
Several days later,

584
00:27:58,249 --> 00:28:01,751
I noticed that the blind
in that window

585
00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:04,086
in the front
I was up.

586
00:28:04,155 --> 00:28:06,421
someone was watching
outward

587
00:28:06,490 --> 00:28:09,224
and had raised the little one
ribbon on the blind

588
00:28:09,293 --> 00:28:10,558
and I hadn't lowered it.

589
00:28:10,627 --> 00:28:12,995
LENA: There are many accusations
that Ron

590
00:28:13,064 --> 00:28:14,963
-had something to do with that.
-MARGIE: Sure.

591
00:28:15,032 --> 00:28:17,333
How do you feel
about those accusations?

592
00:28:17,402 --> 00:28:19,535
I live in two worlds.

593
00:28:19,604 --> 00:28:21,703
In one, my daughter disappeared.

594
00:28:21,772 --> 00:28:23,475
He left the house.

595
00:28:24,309 --> 00:28:26,311
And in...

596
00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:29,278
In the other, her father killed her.

597
00:28:29,347 --> 00:28:32,281
I believe more in the world

598
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:34,517
where my daughter disappeared

599
00:28:34,586 --> 00:28:36,285
and left the house...

600
00:28:36,354 --> 00:28:39,054
that in...

601
00:28:39,123 --> 00:28:43,393
that in the world
where Ron killed his daughter.

602
00:28:43,462 --> 00:28:46,498
I never thought that.

603
00:28:47,699 --> 00:28:48,764
Never.

604
00:28:48,833 --> 00:28:49,931
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

605
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,668
DONNIE: I want to do it.
this question, Margie.

606
00:28:52,737 --> 00:28:55,735
-Did you write that note?
-No.

607
00:28:56,674 --> 00:28:58,339
No, I didn't.

608
00:28:58,408 --> 00:29:01,109
DONNIE: Could you have been
in a position

609
00:29:01,178 --> 00:29:03,612
in which Ron said:
"I'll go to jail for this

610
00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:05,781
"if you don't help me"?
-No. No.

611
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:07,315
-DONNIE: I don't know. It's just...
-No, no.

612
00:29:07,384 --> 00:29:10,119
-DONNIE: I just...
-Never. Never. Never.

613
00:29:10,188 --> 00:29:11,386
DONNIE: Whose idea was it?

614
00:29:11,455 --> 00:29:13,959
not to call the police
at that time?

615
00:29:15,126 --> 00:29:18,093
I can't say
that it was completely mine,

616
00:29:18,162 --> 00:29:21,529
but I know I had a voice in...

617
00:29:21,598 --> 00:29:23,865
I understand.
Did you ever see the note

618
00:29:23,934 --> 00:29:26,769
and said, "Ron, who the hell
is this father figure?

619
00:29:26,838 --> 00:29:29,138
-Do you have any ideas?"
-No no.

620
00:29:29,207 --> 00:29:31,974
-DONNIE: You never did that?
-No. No. No.

621
00:29:32,043 --> 00:29:34,342
-DONNIE: Look, I'm...
-I know you're confused...

622
00:29:34,411 --> 00:29:37,078
I'm confused
because I'm trying to think,

623
00:29:37,147 --> 00:29:38,681
I'm trying to put my...

624
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:40,883
And... and it fits the context

625
00:29:40,952 --> 00:29:43,151
if not what I would do
someone normal

626
00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:46,889
-DONNIE: Yes, but...
-They have told me that to my face.

627
00:29:46,958 --> 00:29:49,357
a million times.

628
00:29:49,426 --> 00:29:53,498
LENA: What would you like?
What should we say to Stephen today?

629
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,766
That honestly your mother

630
00:29:57,835 --> 00:30:00,305
he doesn't know what happened to him
to his sister.

631
00:30:16,954 --> 00:30:18,687
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

632
00:30:18,756 --> 00:30:21,556
LENA: The problem
is that with this case,

633
00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:25,528
we have no concrete evidence
or facts that we can use.

634
00:30:25,597 --> 00:30:27,362
We have many rumors.

635
00:30:27,431 --> 00:30:29,465
we have things
from which they have retracted.

636
00:30:29,534 --> 00:30:30,432
They told us something

637
00:30:30,501 --> 00:30:32,334
and then they told us:
"That was not the case."

638
00:30:32,403 --> 00:30:34,603
So when
we interview people,

639
00:30:34,672 --> 00:30:36,739
the only thing we have
what to do is...

640
00:30:36,808 --> 00:30:39,207
especially me,
is to detect that deception.

641
00:30:39,276 --> 00:30:41,076
She remembers everything
to the point

642
00:30:41,145 --> 00:30:44,079
in which he cries every time
That reminds Jennifer.

643
00:30:44,148 --> 00:30:45,346
Remember how I was standing,

644
00:30:45,415 --> 00:30:47,382
what was he wearing
down to the detail

645
00:30:47,451 --> 00:30:49,417
and cries every time he remembers
that last image.

646
00:30:49,486 --> 00:30:51,721
And she was very emphatic.
with us saying:

647
00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:52,955
"I didn't see her after that."

648
00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:54,756
I think it is being
100 percent sincere.

649
00:30:54,825 --> 00:30:56,752
That was the last time
who saw Jennifer.

650
00:30:56,821 --> 00:30:59,361
So how did it fail?
my mother the polygraph?

651
00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:01,129
Was it a failure
or was it inconclusive?

652
00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:03,499
The only thing I remember
about my mother's test

653
00:31:03,568 --> 00:31:04,633
is that the result indicated

654
00:31:04,702 --> 00:31:06,367
-which was not conclusive.
-I understand.

655
00:31:06,436 --> 00:31:08,704
LENA: But then you must go
to specific questions.

656
00:31:08,773 --> 00:31:10,005
-I know.
-LENA: There is so much...

657
00:31:10,074 --> 00:31:12,074
-STEPHEN: Yes, yes. I know. I know.
-I thought that because of the lyrics

658
00:31:12,143 --> 00:31:13,803
in the note,
your father was...

659
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:15,778
-STEPHEN: He was discarded.
-...discarded,

660
00:31:15,847 --> 00:31:17,379
-but not your mother.
-That's how it is.

661
00:31:17,448 --> 00:31:20,182
And that's why I believe
that she wrote the note.

662
00:31:20,251 --> 00:31:21,349
TRUE.

663
00:31:21,418 --> 00:31:24,386
What I think happened is
that Ron accidentally killed her.

664
00:31:24,455 --> 00:31:26,989
I would believe it, it's consistent
with my father saying:

665
00:31:27,058 --> 00:31:28,691
"Hypothetically, I hit her

666
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,659
and she fell
and he hit his head."

667
00:31:30,728 --> 00:31:31,960
That's most likely.

668
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:34,797
Yes, it's most likely, but...

669
00:31:34,866 --> 00:31:36,965
I think your mother
is telling the truth

670
00:31:37,034 --> 00:31:38,133
without knowing what happened.

671
00:31:38,202 --> 00:31:41,003
DONNIE: I think your mom
don't know what happened

672
00:31:41,072 --> 00:31:45,508
but she helped
to write the note.

673
00:31:45,577 --> 00:31:50,582
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

674
00:32:19,376 --> 00:32:21,844
BUTCH: Stephen.
paid a lot of attention

675
00:32:21,913 --> 00:32:24,412
in the fact that his mother
showed up

676
00:32:24,481 --> 00:32:28,617
to a polygraph examination,
and the result was negative.

677
00:32:28,686 --> 00:32:30,752
But when you read the summary,

678
00:32:30,821 --> 00:32:33,188
Jennifer had a dental appointment

679
00:32:33,257 --> 00:32:36,358
and Mrs. Pandos
I couldn't remember

680
00:32:36,427 --> 00:32:38,794
yes the dental appointment
It was ten or nine.

681
00:32:38,863 --> 00:32:40,562
I was confused
with those dates.

682
00:32:40,631 --> 00:32:45,634
But the disappearance
it happened in 1987

683
00:32:45,703 --> 00:32:50,038
and this polygraph exam
It was done in 2009.

684
00:32:50,107 --> 00:32:51,310
STEPHEN'S LAWYER

685
00:32:52,009 --> 00:32:55,210
It's kind of confusing.

686
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,247
Now part of the problem
with a polygraph exam

687
00:32:59,316 --> 00:33:01,784
and one of the reasons
why they are unreliable

688
00:33:01,853 --> 00:33:03,318
and they are not admissible evidence

689
00:33:03,387 --> 00:33:05,549
is that when
there is confusion in the brain,

690
00:33:05,618 --> 00:33:06,955
blood pressure increases,

691
00:33:07,024 --> 00:33:09,624
and that will do
let the needle register it.

692
00:33:09,693 --> 00:33:12,889
It is an indication
that there has been a change

693
00:33:12,958 --> 00:33:15,597
in the physiological composition
of the person

694
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:16,768
at that time.

695
00:33:22,406 --> 00:33:24,940
Take into account
everything in the note

696
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:26,378
that involves parents.

697
00:33:27,244 --> 00:33:28,878
And I know that the profiler

698
00:33:28,947 --> 00:33:31,416
who did the analysis
from the note...

699
00:33:32,116 --> 00:33:33,682
reviewed all that.

700
00:33:33,751 --> 00:33:35,416
I must say this.

701
00:33:35,485 --> 00:33:39,691
"Let them try to pretend
an escape or kidnapping

702
00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:42,858
it just brings me to the conclusion

703
00:33:42,927 --> 00:33:44,359
that the author of the note..."

704
00:33:44,428 --> 00:33:47,362
STEPHEN: "...the author
of the note he perpetrated

705
00:33:47,431 --> 00:33:50,761
or helped, before or after
of the crime of kidnapping

706
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:53,102
and/or murder
by Jennifer Pandos."

707
00:33:53,171 --> 00:33:54,702
KENNETH MORRIS:
"Based on this premise,

708
00:33:54,771 --> 00:33:57,705
most likely the note
has been written by someone

709
00:33:57,774 --> 00:34:01,242
that would immediately be under
police scrutiny.

710
00:34:01,311 --> 00:34:03,548
STATE POLICE
FROM VIRGINIA

711
00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:10,622
What more can I tell you?

712
00:34:11,255 --> 00:34:12,787
It's a crime scene.

713
00:34:12,856 --> 00:34:15,457
The person who wrote the note
I was familiar

714
00:34:15,526 --> 00:34:17,592
with Jennifer,
your routine and your schedule,

715
00:34:17,661 --> 00:34:19,361
and things that were
important to her.

716
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:20,628
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

717
00:34:20,697 --> 00:34:23,899
CHRISTINE DELP: Is it normal
let the police tell you

718
00:34:23,968 --> 00:34:26,536
What have you been working on?
in the case

719
00:34:26,605 --> 00:34:28,270
and then analyze it?

720
00:34:28,339 --> 00:34:32,574
Or is it better not to know anything
When are you going to analyze something?

721
00:34:32,643 --> 00:34:34,643
can you talk
a little about that?

722
00:34:34,712 --> 00:34:36,511
Yes, I can talk about that.

723
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:40,716
From the point of view
of profiling,

724
00:34:40,785 --> 00:34:42,384
If I were to create a profile,

725
00:34:42,453 --> 00:34:44,652
Let's say that if I had
than looking at a crime scene

726
00:34:44,721 --> 00:34:47,222
and create a profile
of the unknown criminal,

727
00:34:47,291 --> 00:34:49,953
I would need a lot of information.

728
00:34:50,022 --> 00:34:52,060
I don't want to know anything
about no suspect

729
00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:54,296
because that
I would modify my opinion.

730
00:34:54,365 --> 00:34:57,465
What I wrote there is based
in evidence, nothing more.

731
00:34:57,534 --> 00:35:01,236
Once again, it is written
based on evidence.

732
00:35:01,305 --> 00:35:04,039
CHRISTINE: When reading
some of your statements,

733
00:35:04,108 --> 00:35:06,041
you are very sure
that Ron and Margie

734
00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:08,076
They had something to do with it.

735
00:35:08,145 --> 00:35:09,678
And Stephen has read that.

736
00:35:09,747 --> 00:35:10,707
Yeah.

737
00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:12,114
CHRISTINE: Being with Stephen,

738
00:35:12,183 --> 00:35:14,849
one of the lines he says
over and over again it is:

739
00:35:14,918 --> 00:35:18,019
"His most plausible offender
would be one or both parents."

740
00:35:18,088 --> 00:35:19,988
-That's what he thinks.
-That's how it is.

741
00:35:20,057 --> 00:35:21,356
CHRISTINE:
What can you say about that?

742
00:35:21,425 --> 00:35:22,594
CYNTHIA: Can you read it?

743
00:35:23,794 --> 00:35:26,762
KENNETH: "If you notice
contains personal information,

744
00:35:26,831 --> 00:35:28,297
his most plausible offender

745
00:35:28,366 --> 00:35:31,336
would be one or both parents."

746
00:35:31,836 --> 00:35:33,401
At the moment...

747
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:37,138
when they called me
to research,

748
00:35:37,207 --> 00:35:40,575
they were
the only suspects.

749
00:35:40,644 --> 00:35:43,278
The main reason
why I pointed them out

750
00:35:43,347 --> 00:35:45,846
It was because there was no one else.

751
00:35:45,915 --> 00:35:50,152
In retrospect I guess
than what I should have written

752
00:35:50,221 --> 00:35:54,050
is that the perpetrator
was someone

753
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,825
who had a relationship
very close with Jennifer

754
00:35:56,894 --> 00:35:58,459
and having left it somewhat ambiguous.

755
00:35:58,528 --> 00:36:01,230
JAKE: What is this? what is
what are you reading here?

756
00:36:01,299 --> 00:36:03,502
KENNETH: It's the statement
What I did, yes.

757
00:36:03,935 --> 00:36:04,967
It is that margin

758
00:36:05,036 --> 00:36:07,435
in which the parents probably
They were the criminals.

759
00:36:07,504 --> 00:36:08,504
RESEARCHER
FROM THE PANDOS CASE

760
00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:09,970
Well, what you wrote was:

761
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,308
"If the note was fabricated
to divert the investigation."

762
00:36:13,377 --> 00:36:15,510
We still don't know
if it was manufactured.

763
00:36:15,579 --> 00:36:18,346
-Sure.
-Is there a possibility

764
00:36:18,415 --> 00:36:20,115
that Jennifer was there

765
00:36:20,184 --> 00:36:21,817
when it was
writing the note?

766
00:36:21,886 --> 00:36:23,985
KENNETH: It's... it's... possible.

767
00:36:24,054 --> 00:36:26,016
Well, it's still a possibility...

768
00:36:26,085 --> 00:36:28,389
And she's providing
the information.

769
00:36:28,458 --> 00:36:30,392
...that he is gone
that night alone,

770
00:36:30,461 --> 00:36:32,762
thinking that only
it was going to be for a few days

771
00:36:32,831 --> 00:36:34,897
and something happened.

772
00:36:34,966 --> 00:36:36,598
♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

773
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,333
STEPHEN:
"His most plausible offender

774
00:36:38,402 --> 00:36:41,069
would be one or both parents."

775
00:36:41,138 --> 00:36:43,608
I have read this dozens of times

776
00:36:44,375 --> 00:36:45,544
and it's disturbing.

777
00:36:49,246 --> 00:36:53,148
He doesn't come out and say
that we wrote the note,

778
00:36:53,217 --> 00:36:55,215
but that's what he believes.

779
00:36:56,053 --> 00:36:58,120
And... that didn't happen.

780
00:36:58,189 --> 00:37:00,755
I can understand that Stephen,
when reading this,

781
00:37:00,824 --> 00:37:03,895
it feels the way
in that he does it towards me,

782
00:37:05,096 --> 00:37:07,428
but these people
They don't know me.

783
00:37:07,497 --> 00:37:10,999
KENNETH: The mistake
What has Stephen done?

784
00:37:11,068 --> 00:37:12,901
is to focus on your parents.

785
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:15,536
And then Jennifer disappears
leaving that letter implausible.

786
00:37:15,605 --> 00:37:17,305
then you have
a profiler saying:

787
00:37:17,374 --> 00:37:19,474
"Well, someone
close to Jennifer

788
00:37:19,543 --> 00:37:21,443
was the one who wrote it",
and there is no one else,

789
00:37:21,512 --> 00:37:24,046
so probably
They were the parents.

790
00:37:24,115 --> 00:37:25,547
So he held on to that

791
00:37:25,616 --> 00:37:27,683
and it is staying
in a bad position,

792
00:37:27,752 --> 00:37:28,783
because now...

793
00:37:28,852 --> 00:37:31,220
I guess he hates his parents
and his parents hate him.

794
00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:32,491
I don't know.

795
00:37:39,564 --> 00:37:40,900
Can I keep this one?

796
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,166
I liked the photo of my mother.

797
00:37:44,235 --> 00:37:45,470
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

798
00:37:46,037 --> 00:37:47,639
He looks so young.

799
00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:53,108
I am a baby,

800
00:37:53,177 --> 00:37:54,679
I like the way my mother looks.

801
00:38:11,696 --> 00:38:14,496
NARRATOR: Norfolk, Virginia.

802
00:38:14,565 --> 00:38:16,565
DONNIE: Obviously,
there is a new track

803
00:38:16,634 --> 00:38:19,601
that the police are following.

804
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:21,840
The researcher
who did the analysis

805
00:38:22,707 --> 00:38:25,140
he's regretting it a little

806
00:38:25,209 --> 00:38:28,038
about the idea of parents.

807
00:38:28,107 --> 00:38:29,978
Maybe he knows something
that we don't.

808
00:38:30,047 --> 00:38:31,380
Yes, I would like to know,

809
00:38:31,449 --> 00:38:32,781
I wonder
what is he doing

810
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:35,517
-may he repent.
-Can we rule out suicide?

811
00:38:35,586 --> 00:38:37,485
LENA: But her body
would have been found.

812
00:38:37,554 --> 00:38:40,756
What was I going to do?
Travel around the United States

813
00:38:40,825 --> 00:38:41,923
to commit suicide?

814
00:38:41,992 --> 00:38:45,360
Yes, but we would wait
to appear somewhere.

815
00:38:45,429 --> 00:38:46,828
Let's think about this scenario.

816
00:38:46,897 --> 00:38:48,998
-Tell me what you think.
-♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC) ♪

817
00:38:49,067 --> 00:38:50,232
DONNIE: Dad messes with her.

818
00:38:50,301 --> 00:38:52,300
And then she says, “That's it.

819
00:38:52,369 --> 00:38:54,203
I've had enough
of this shit."

820
00:38:54,272 --> 00:38:55,604
And she calls someone.

821
00:38:55,673 --> 00:38:57,806
Hey, you have to come for me,
I can't stay here.

822
00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,375
DONNIE: It has to happen.
somehow

823
00:39:00,444 --> 00:39:01,709
a security entrance.

824
00:39:01,778 --> 00:39:03,345
LENA: And a person
I couldn't come and say:

825
00:39:03,414 --> 00:39:04,679
"Hey, I'm here

826
00:39:04,748 --> 00:39:06,415
to see Jennifer Pandos.
She lives in blah blah...

827
00:39:06,484 --> 00:39:07,783
DONNIE:
You have to call home.

828
00:39:07,852 --> 00:39:08,912
Oh really?

829
00:39:08,981 --> 00:39:10,385
LENA: What do you think of this?

830
00:39:10,454 --> 00:39:14,289
The friend parks his car
outside the community,

831
00:39:14,358 --> 00:39:16,391
walk stealthily
through the forest to the house,

832
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:19,189
they return for the community
to the car.

833
00:39:19,258 --> 00:39:20,862
so this
He never had to enter.

834
00:39:20,931 --> 00:39:23,532
DONNIE: But the location
from the Pandos residence

835
00:39:23,601 --> 00:39:26,635
from the entrance it is...

836
00:39:26,704 --> 00:39:28,136
about more than a kilometer.

837
00:39:28,205 --> 00:39:30,705
LENA: What if Jennifer
did you make the phone call?

838
00:39:30,774 --> 00:39:32,774
Remember that I used to care
some guy's son, right?

839
00:39:32,843 --> 00:39:36,244
He called someone and said:
"In 20 minutes or half an hour

840
00:39:36,313 --> 00:39:38,247
see you at 7-Eleven
or another place.

841
00:39:38,316 --> 00:39:39,915
I'll be there, pick me up.
"I can't stand it anymore."

842
00:39:39,984 --> 00:39:41,551
Then he leaves the house,

843
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:43,285
walk alone on the road

844
00:39:43,354 --> 00:39:45,120
and is found
who would pick her up with.

845
00:39:45,189 --> 00:39:46,691
DONNIE: What about the note?

846
00:39:48,126 --> 00:39:50,325
Jennifer didn't write the note.

847
00:39:50,394 --> 00:39:52,160
The note is written
in a notebook

848
00:39:52,229 --> 00:39:53,462
who was at the scene.

849
00:39:53,531 --> 00:39:55,564
See, this is the reason

850
00:39:55,633 --> 00:39:57,560
why the note catches me

851
00:39:57,629 --> 00:40:01,336
in almost all scenarios.
Just think about this scenario.

852
00:40:01,405 --> 00:40:04,006
Someone parks,
walk through the forest

853
00:40:04,075 --> 00:40:07,042
to the house
to go look for her, okay?

854
00:40:07,111 --> 00:40:09,078
LENA: Or he just sees her.

855
00:40:09,147 --> 00:40:11,079
Yes, but the note is there.

856
00:40:11,148 --> 00:40:12,484
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪

857
00:40:27,165 --> 00:40:29,998
(RINGTONE)

858
00:40:30,067 --> 00:40:31,466
NARRATOR: June, 2018.

859
00:40:31,535 --> 00:40:32,868
JAKE: (ON PHONE)
Researcher Rice.

860
00:40:32,937 --> 00:40:34,370
-Hello, Jake.
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

861
00:40:34,439 --> 00:40:35,570
I'm Stephen Pandos.

862
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,339
I was just doing
a follow-up

863
00:40:37,408 --> 00:40:39,008
to see if there was
some update.

864
00:40:39,077 --> 00:40:41,046
-Tell me if there is something.
-JAKE: Not at this time.

865
00:40:41,712 --> 00:40:44,947
Know? We are still...

866
00:40:45,016 --> 00:40:46,248
working on the case,

867
00:40:46,317 --> 00:40:48,517
but there is nothing that...

868
00:40:48,586 --> 00:40:52,287
-can say at this moment.
-I understand.

869
00:40:52,356 --> 00:40:53,892
JAKE: So no.

870
00:41:00,997 --> 00:41:04,099
CYNTHIA: And how was Stephen?
When did you talk to him?

871
00:41:04,168 --> 00:41:06,068
Want information,

872
00:41:06,137 --> 00:41:09,571
give him a log
of every step I'm taking.

873
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,973
I can't do it.

874
00:41:11,042 --> 00:41:13,236
tell him everything
what is happening

875
00:41:13,305 --> 00:41:14,944
because it is
an open investigation

876
00:41:15,013 --> 00:41:19,715
and he's making his own...
research at the same time.

877
00:41:19,784 --> 00:41:22,017
And that's the hard part
for me.

878
00:41:22,086 --> 00:41:24,787
Yes, he calls, but until
that has something concrete

879
00:41:24,856 --> 00:41:27,250
that I can give you,
the information I have

880
00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:29,992
at this moment
I must leave her to myself.

881
00:41:30,061 --> 00:41:34,129
I just hope I know who it was.
That's what I'm looking for.

882
00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:35,430
For me to sit here and say

883
00:41:35,499 --> 00:41:37,533
I have no suspicions
about parents

884
00:41:37,602 --> 00:41:39,468
it would be a lie.

885
00:41:39,537 --> 00:41:42,104
I still have suspicions.

886
00:41:42,173 --> 00:41:44,239
There are still some things
that make me think

887
00:41:44,308 --> 00:41:46,441
why this happened.

888
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:51,346
If I had to describe
personally this case,

889
00:41:51,415 --> 00:41:53,582
It's like a roller coaster.

890
00:41:53,651 --> 00:41:55,684
This is how it has been during these years.

891
00:41:55,753 --> 00:41:57,886
We have had moments

892
00:41:57,955 --> 00:42:00,289
in which we were depressed.

893
00:42:00,358 --> 00:42:02,190
There was nothing
and then we had something

894
00:42:02,259 --> 00:42:05,728
when finding that file.
Now we're starting to get somewhere

895
00:42:05,797 --> 00:42:08,063
and suddenly
There are other suspects

896
00:42:08,132 --> 00:42:10,398
so maybe we have
have to go back a little.

897
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:16,875
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

898
00:42:31,723 --> 00:42:32,921
CYNTHIA: If the police have

899
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:36,728
other suspects now,
who do you think it was?

900
00:42:38,162 --> 00:42:42,330
The only one whose name
I have heard before...

901
00:42:42,399 --> 00:42:45,935
It was a guy with the last name Hendrix.
I don't remember his first name,

902
00:42:46,004 --> 00:42:47,239
Kerry, maybe.

903
00:42:50,174 --> 00:42:52,840
that my sister
and some of her friends

904
00:42:52,909 --> 00:42:55,180
they used to help him take care
to his son. I don't know him,

905
00:42:56,714 --> 00:42:58,617
So I have no idea.

906
00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:03,619
WENDI: In 2006,
they gave me information

907
00:43:03,688 --> 00:43:06,188
that Jennifer and another friend

908
00:43:06,257 --> 00:43:08,090
they had gone to the house

909
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,392
of an adult man
to help you

910
00:43:10,461 --> 00:43:11,726
to take care of your son

911
00:43:11,795 --> 00:43:14,166
and that often
He provided them with alcohol.

912
00:43:15,399 --> 00:43:18,868
When I started researching
the story of that individual,

913
00:43:18,937 --> 00:43:21,536
I discovered
who had been convicted

914
00:43:21,605 --> 00:43:25,277
for kidnapping
and attempted kidnapping.

915
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:28,511
I had a few locations of him.

916
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:30,078
I had gone to the residence

917
00:43:30,147 --> 00:43:33,148
where I thought I was
and I tried to locate it there.

918
00:43:33,217 --> 00:43:35,418
But I could never speak
with him directly.

919
00:43:35,487 --> 00:43:37,789
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)

920
00:43:47,965 --> 00:43:51,000
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

921
00:43:51,069 --> 00:43:54,269
DONNIE: Kerry Hendrix
He was an older man.

922
00:43:54,338 --> 00:43:58,941
It was mentioned in the note
a father figure.

923
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:01,471
He was arrested
for attempted kidnapping

924
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:04,380
of a woman
on a university campus

925
00:44:04,449 --> 00:44:05,575
there in Williamsburg.

926
00:44:05,644 --> 00:44:07,517
It seems that it was an attempt
of sexual assault.

927
00:44:07,586 --> 00:44:08,917
would be someone

928
00:44:08,986 --> 00:44:10,886
who definitely
you should see

929
00:44:10,955 --> 00:44:12,691
as a possible suspect.

930
00:44:15,693 --> 00:44:16,892
ROBIN: (ON THE PHONE)
This is Robin.

931
00:44:16,961 --> 00:44:17,993
VICTIM OF KERRY HENDRIX

932
00:44:18,062 --> 00:44:19,795
Hello, Robin.
My name is Donnie Norrell.

933
00:44:19,864 --> 00:44:23,198
I would like to know anything

934
00:44:23,267 --> 00:44:26,301
that I can remember
about Kerry Hendrix

935
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:27,903
-in...
-ROBIN: Yes.

936
00:44:27,972 --> 00:44:29,037
...1990.

937
00:44:29,106 --> 00:44:31,374
ROBIN: I was a student.
second year

938
00:44:31,443 --> 00:44:32,608
at William and Mary.

939
00:44:32,677 --> 00:44:34,143
It was midnight, okay?

940
00:44:34,212 --> 00:44:35,644
and I was walking
towards my car,

941
00:44:35,713 --> 00:44:37,279
I turned the corner.

942
00:44:37,348 --> 00:44:38,814
And I walked past this guy.

943
00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:40,983
He said, "Hello."
I said, "Hello."

944
00:44:41,052 --> 00:44:43,018
And I looked down,
I was opening my car

945
00:44:43,087 --> 00:44:46,754
and I heard footsteps coming
at my side very quickly.

946
00:44:46,823 --> 00:44:49,791
And he grabbed me and said:
"Get in the car!"

947
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:51,330
So I kicked him in his guts.

948
00:44:52,462 --> 00:44:54,329
And I pointed to him and said:

949
00:44:54,398 --> 00:44:56,765
"I rebuke you
in the name of Jesus Christ.

950
00:44:56,834 --> 00:44:59,902
and I order you
leave me alone now."

951
00:44:59,971 --> 00:45:02,872
He looked at me and started running.
And I started running.

952
00:45:02,941 --> 00:45:04,773
I try to remember
what they said

953
00:45:04,842 --> 00:45:07,242
that I had
in his front seat.

954
00:45:07,311 --> 00:45:08,911
They were things
that would have been useful.

955
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:10,646
That's why he was caught.

956
00:45:10,715 --> 00:45:11,980
DONNIE: Well,
thanks again.

957
00:45:12,049 --> 00:45:13,515
-ROBIN: No problem.
-I appreciate it.

958
00:45:13,584 --> 00:45:15,718
-Very good. Take care of yourself. Very good.
-ROBIN: Thank you. Goodbye.

959
00:45:15,787 --> 00:45:17,452
Very good, goodbye.

960
00:45:17,521 --> 00:45:18,854
♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

961
00:45:18,923 --> 00:45:20,956
DONNIE: It would be someone.

962
00:45:21,025 --> 00:45:22,791
who definitely
you should see

963
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:24,492
as a possible suspect.

964
00:45:24,561 --> 00:45:27,963
Is he the father figure
What was she talking about?

965
00:45:28,032 --> 00:45:29,965
Could I have written a note?

966
00:45:30,034 --> 00:45:32,905
All of those things are possible.

967
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:36,105
(RINGTONE)

968
00:45:36,174 --> 00:45:37,406
STEPHEN PANDOS
TALK TO DIRECTOR

969
00:45:37,475 --> 00:45:40,375
-CYNTHIA: Hello?
-STEPHEN: (ON THE PHONE) Hello.

970
00:45:40,444 --> 00:45:42,982
While I've been thinking
in all these things

971
00:45:44,315 --> 00:45:47,983
with the police
and the missing file...

972
00:45:48,052 --> 00:45:51,290
I don't know what they have
in the case file.

973
00:45:52,456 --> 00:45:54,957
But, you know,
They haven't ruled out my parents.

974
00:45:55,026 --> 00:45:57,758
I still think
that could have been my father.

975
00:45:57,827 --> 00:46:00,328
It seems really strange
that in the night

976
00:46:00,397 --> 00:46:03,298
in which my sister
and my father fought

977
00:46:03,367 --> 00:46:06,201
you know, knowing
my father's temperament,

978
00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:09,441
that at some point
of the next eight hours

979
00:46:10,107 --> 00:46:12,535
of that particular night,

980
00:46:12,604 --> 00:46:14,910
some stranger
will enter the house,

981
00:46:14,979 --> 00:46:16,776
will leave a note

982
00:46:17,616 --> 00:46:20,750
and...Jennifer left with nothing.

983
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:24,119
It just seems...
very unlikely.

984
00:46:24,188 --> 00:46:26,288
CYNTHIA: But
What if he wasn't a stranger?

985
00:46:26,357 --> 00:46:28,924
STEPHEN: The only ones
other people

986
00:46:28,993 --> 00:46:32,864
What could I think about?
It's Tony or that guy Hendrix.

987
00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:37,332
CYNTHIA: Yeah, that Hendrix guy.

988
00:46:37,401 --> 00:46:40,201
it's been really difficult
to find.

989
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:42,271
Looks like he's an addict
in recovery

990
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:44,973
and it doesn't stay in one place
for a long time.

991
00:46:45,042 --> 00:46:47,242
We have sent letters
to various addresses

992
00:46:47,311 --> 00:46:50,879
that we have theirs.
No response so far.

993
00:46:50,948 --> 00:46:52,981
but we have
one more address in Tennessee

994
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:54,453
What are we going to try?

995
00:46:58,021 --> 00:47:00,121
NARRATOR: The documentary filmmakers
eventually they gave

996
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:02,461
with the location
by Kerry Hendrix.

997
00:47:07,932 --> 00:47:09,898
CYNTHIA: Could you...
Could we interview him?

998
00:47:09,967 --> 00:47:12,067
KERRY HENDRIX: It's happened.
a long time. Well, here I am.

999
00:47:12,136 --> 00:47:13,568
CYNTHIA: Okay.
This is the last place

1000
00:47:13,637 --> 00:47:16,299
that we learned about you.
So we take a chance

1001
00:47:16,368 --> 00:47:17,740
and we came here.

1002
00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:19,407
(LAUGHS)

1003
00:47:19,476 --> 00:47:25,708
CYNTHIA: So, tell me what it's like.
who met Jennifer Pandos.

1004
00:47:25,777 --> 00:47:27,950
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-Essentially,

1005
00:47:28,019 --> 00:47:30,313
I was recently divorced
and had won custody

1006
00:47:30,382 --> 00:47:32,187
of my one year old son.

1007
00:47:32,256 --> 00:47:34,657
I think I saw an ad
somewhere

1008
00:47:34,726 --> 00:47:35,824
of a teenager

1009
00:47:35,893 --> 00:47:38,293
who was looking to take care of children
and earn some money.

1010
00:47:38,362 --> 00:47:41,362
CYNTHIA: And did you ever
he suspected that the police thought

1011
00:47:41,431 --> 00:47:45,133
that you could be someone
who was taking her in?

1012
00:47:45,202 --> 00:47:48,003
Yes, I think your father
and the police thought that.

1013
00:47:48,072 --> 00:47:52,144
I mean, I was
his main suspect.

1014
00:47:53,811 --> 00:47:56,011
And I can understand that I was

1015
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,581
one of the few people
in your life

1016
00:47:58,650 --> 00:48:00,049
outside the family.

1017
00:48:00,118 --> 00:48:03,018
I... I would also think
that way.

1018
00:48:03,087 --> 00:48:04,753
CYNTHIA: We've been
following each...

1019
00:48:04,822 --> 00:48:06,722
-Yes.
-...potential clue

1020
00:48:06,791 --> 00:48:08,056
or anyone who has had

1021
00:48:08,125 --> 00:48:10,259
-some interaction with her.
-Yeah. Yes.

1022
00:48:10,328 --> 00:48:12,127
-We have some...
-In Williamsburg...

1023
00:48:12,196 --> 00:48:13,623
Williamsburg
it's a small town

1024
00:48:13,692 --> 00:48:14,896
and I had a childhood
problematic.

1025
00:48:14,965 --> 00:48:16,899
Like I said,
I had a lot of problems.

1026
00:48:16,968 --> 00:48:18,033
They always had me

1027
00:48:18,102 --> 00:48:19,301
and to my small circle
of friends

1028
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:21,236
as main suspects
of anything

1029
00:48:21,305 --> 00:48:25,040
that happened in that city.
Girls were being raped

1030
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:28,372
at university and we
We were the suspects.

1031
00:48:28,441 --> 00:48:30,512
But it wasn't us.

1032
00:48:30,581 --> 00:48:32,943
They built
a picture of us

1033
00:48:33,012 --> 00:48:36,552
based on your suspicions
and that image stays with you.

1034
00:48:36,621 --> 00:48:39,788
CYNTHIA: We saw in your record

1035
00:48:39,857 --> 00:48:42,758
who was convicted

1036
00:48:42,827 --> 00:48:45,126
for attempted kidnapping.

1037
00:48:45,195 --> 00:48:46,962
-Kidnapping. Yes.
-Can you tell me about that?

1038
00:48:47,031 --> 00:48:48,964
They said it was
an attempted rape,

1039
00:48:49,033 --> 00:48:50,800
but it was an attempted robbery.

1040
00:48:50,869 --> 00:48:52,433
I was addicted to cocaine
at that time.

1041
00:48:52,502 --> 00:48:55,804
And I tried to steal a purse
which ended up being a backpack.

1042
00:48:55,873 --> 00:48:57,940
You know, and how she thought

1043
00:48:58,009 --> 00:49:00,075
what was I trying
to push her towards the car,

1044
00:49:00,144 --> 00:49:02,077
They thought I was trying
to kidnap her.

1045
00:49:02,146 --> 00:49:04,112
There was no evidence
that it was a kidnapping.

1046
00:49:04,181 --> 00:49:05,981
CYNTHIA: Cori, who is the girl?

1047
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:08,416
who was at home
with Jennifer,

1048
00:49:08,485 --> 00:49:10,486
He said that, in fact,
He gave them alcohol.

1049
00:49:10,555 --> 00:49:12,120
No no.

1050
00:49:12,189 --> 00:49:16,058
(LAUGHS) I would never do it.
I would never do it. I would never do it.

1051
00:49:16,127 --> 00:49:18,428
CYNTHIA: Would it be considered
a father figure

1052
00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:19,795
for Jennifer?

1053
00:49:19,864 --> 00:49:21,262
probably
it was at that time

1054
00:49:21,331 --> 00:49:22,898
because, you know,
I was a father.

1055
00:49:22,967 --> 00:49:24,567
That's why
that she was there

1056
00:49:24,636 --> 00:49:25,901
taking care of my son.

1057
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:29,437
And she told me things
about his family life

1058
00:49:29,506 --> 00:49:31,735
where was
having problems.

1059
00:49:31,804 --> 00:49:33,542
She didn't say what they were.
the problems.

1060
00:49:33,611 --> 00:49:35,911
He just said
that she didn't feel comfortable there.

1061
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:37,847
I was just looking,
I didn't know what to do.

1062
00:49:37,916 --> 00:49:39,114
And I was thinking about running away.

1063
00:49:39,183 --> 00:49:40,850
And I warned him not to do that.

1064
00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:43,352
And then she just...

1065
00:49:43,421 --> 00:49:45,955
He never came back.
And his father called

1066
00:49:46,024 --> 00:49:47,489
and she thought that she
he stayed there.

1067
00:49:47,558 --> 00:49:49,925
That's how I discovered
that she was missing.

1068
00:49:49,994 --> 00:49:51,659
I thought he escaped.

1069
00:49:51,728 --> 00:49:54,366
That's what she
had been talking.

1070
00:50:01,271 --> 00:50:04,039
CYNTHIA: And tell me.
about when his father came.

1071
00:50:04,108 --> 00:50:05,406
KERRY: Well, first he called

1072
00:50:05,475 --> 00:50:08,644
and I told him if he wanted to come
and look for it, it was good,

1073
00:50:08,713 --> 00:50:10,311
but it wasn't here.

1074
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:12,114
And came. He seemed like a handsome guy.

1075
00:50:12,183 --> 00:50:14,716
I think it was briefly

1076
00:50:14,785 --> 00:50:17,753
but he was... expressionless. And...

1077
00:50:17,822 --> 00:50:20,789
His personality was cold,

1078
00:50:20,858 --> 00:50:22,657
at least with me.

1079
00:50:22,726 --> 00:50:27,027
And I understand why you thought
that he had a girl there.

1080
00:50:28,532 --> 00:50:31,133
It seemed that the police
had come

1081
00:50:31,202 --> 00:50:32,734
or at least called.
I don't remember it.

1082
00:50:32,803 --> 00:50:35,303
I don't think they came.
They called and I told them the same thing.

1083
00:50:35,372 --> 00:50:38,774
"You are more than welcome to come
and review at any time.

1084
00:50:38,843 --> 00:50:40,145
"She's not here."

1085
00:50:40,845 --> 00:50:43,245
How are you?

1086
00:50:43,314 --> 00:50:49,421
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪

1087
00:50:59,429 --> 00:51:01,030
JAKE: Hi, Angie.
This is Jake.

1088
00:51:01,099 --> 00:51:02,230
Just to make sure

1089
00:51:02,299 --> 00:51:04,033
that you have that
that I sent you.

1090
00:51:04,102 --> 00:51:05,637
The reference is "Pandos".

1091
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:08,971
Okay. That's what I believe,

1092
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,675
that he has more to do

1093
00:51:11,341 --> 00:51:13,112
of what he is telling us.

1094
00:51:13,778 --> 00:51:15,110
Yes, that's what I believe.

1095
00:51:15,179 --> 00:51:18,013
Maybe he took us
to a different place.

1096
00:51:18,082 --> 00:51:20,552
Okay, let's go
on the right path.

1097
00:51:21,052 --> 00:51:23,385
OK. Bye bye.

1098
00:51:23,454 --> 00:51:24,619
At this moment,
I'm waiting

1099
00:51:24,688 --> 00:51:27,189
that the results
from the laboratory arrive.

1100
00:51:27,258 --> 00:51:28,860
That's all I'll say.

1101
00:51:31,395 --> 00:51:35,164
Because I don't want
let no one know

1102
00:51:35,233 --> 00:51:37,700
who could be
or not on the radar.

1103
00:51:37,769 --> 00:51:40,201
If you let them know that we will go,

1104
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:43,305
can prepare them
so they can say what they want.

1105
00:51:43,374 --> 00:51:47,376
So I would prefer...
only I know.

1106
00:51:47,445 --> 00:51:50,445
And in that way
make that surprise visit.

1107
00:51:50,514 --> 00:51:52,214
CYNTHIA:
Are you still hopeful?

1108
00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:53,618
I have high hopes.

1109
00:52:41,099 --> 00:52:42,567
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪